Pakistani Shalwar Kameez Girls Definition
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I think the term "Punjabi suit" is used only for a specific type of Kamiz, not all types of them. So, the term cannot be applied to all sorts of salwar-kamiz suits.Can you tell me what the differences are between a "regular" salwar kamiz and a Punjabi suit? I believe that I've seen "Punjabi" used on a few web retail sites to describe somewhat loose and baggy salwar, but it's far from universal. Well, my wife could have described it better, but she's on vacation now, so I'd try my best ... the Punjabi styled salwar kamizes, when worn by women, are somewhat plain and have a straighter cut. Also, the colors tend to be lighter. Look into the Punjabi dress worn by North Indians and Pakistani men ... the punjabi styled kamiz is perhaps more like that. I'm really bad at describing this, I think I'd come up with an example image to clarify this.
Hmmm. Pictures would help. When you say the cut is straighter and the colors are lighter, I immediately think of the Lucknowi style chikan-embroidered suits in very light muslin. I haven't seen those called Punjabi suits, tho'. I've always heard Punjabi suit and salwar kamiz used interchangeably, but I'm very willing to believe there are exceptions.I'd suggest that the stub articles be renamed salwar and kamiz, any info merged (if there IS any info that isn't already in the main article), and that salwar, kamiz, and Punjabi suit be set up to redirect to the this article.Anon, the "embroidery with mirrors" is called shisha embroidery and it's just as characteristic of Rajasthan as it is of Pakistan. In any case, it's not universal. Probably more characteristic of rural/tribal clothing than urban kamiz. Trying to give "Hindu" gloss to dupatta is again silly. Trying to change Islam-associated history of salwar suit is just wrong. Moreover, your edits are ungrammatical.
This is with reference to the spelling Shalwar Qamis and a redirect from Shalwar Qamis leading to this article. Shalwar Qamis is a non-standard spelling where as Salwar Kamiz is a standard spelling.
I think that's some anon Pakistani editor who feels that the Indian version of the word is being favored. Just as we had an anon Indian editor who wanted to remove all connection between salwar kamiz and Islamic invaders from Central Asia. People are refighting the Partition over the unlikeliest topics imaginable! I'll remove the ref.I agree that we should favor the vastly more common spelling, but I don't think mentioning the alternate spelling hurts, and I strenuously disagree with eliminating the redirect page, if that's what is being suggested. Redirect pages are virtually free;
I don't think the alternate spelling should be mentioned. The Pakistani I know spells it "Shalwar kamiz" anyways... but, I'm for removing it in the intro but keeping a redirect.
It is interesting how Khat-Partug (Shalwar kamiz) are now either Punjabi, Pakistani or Indian dress code. Khat Partug is the Pashtun/Afghan or "Pathan" dress code. It was known as Pathani in India, and still is known by this name. Punjabis adopted it, and Sikhs adopted after countless invasion by Ahmed Shah Abdali, and later their rule over the Peshawar valley the Sikhs adopted many other customs, Bhangra, a local dance called "Bangray" which means a ring. Bangray or Balbala was is a domesticed version of the Afghan warrior dance ATTAN, whiceh is performed by men before going to war. They also adopted the rooster turban, the type you see today the border guards of India and Pakistan wearing. The Indian/Pakistani dress code are Lungi, Dhoti and Sari. Afghans introduced this type of dress code with their countless rules over a span of 800 years. Iranian, Turks don't wear anything close to Khat Partug, there clothing is more like Arab. From the word "Khata", means dirt, the British invented Khaki (meti color), another dress code that originated during the time of Anglo Afghans wars. Today it is known as Khaki Warde worn by government employees in India. Keray (Pathani Chapal) are now famous in both India and Pakistan. Karakul Afghan hat is also famous, worn by both Jinnah and Hamid Karzai. Pakhtun hat, or Afghan war hat is now famous all over the Muslim world after its famous use in Afghan-Russo war.
You are absoltely correct. Punjabis and Sindhis adopted this dress from Pashtuns and Balochs and in the 70s Pakistan made it its national dress because the bulk of its population used to wear it, and the famous soap operas of Pakistan Television made it popular in India in the 80s. Before the Muslim rule Indians were unaware of stiched clothes and used to wear Sari and Lungi. It is ironic that once pure Pashtun/Afghan historical dress and attire is now known as Indian in the world who adopted it just two or three decades ago.
I suggest you guys update this article, the dress code of Punjabi/Pakistan/India was Lungi, Dhoti, and Sari. Khat Partug (shalwar kamiz) originated with Afghans horse riders (Asvazais/Yousafzais). Even Mughul used to wear long skirts over pajamas, while Afghans/Pathans wore KHAT PARTUG (shalwar kamis), and was known as Pathani in those days. Khat Partug today is also famous over Muslim world because of it spread from again Afgan Russo war. American wore it, and British wore it. Arabs took this dress to their countries. Today it is famous all over mosques in North Americas. So is the Afghan hat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sync2k5 (talk • contribs)
Sync, your claims sound suspiciously nationalistic to me but ... I don't think we have any good articles on the HISTORY of costume in South Asia. There's a little bit of history in the Sari article and a little in this article. Rather than use current "national" units, however, it seems to me to make more sense to write articles about court costume and peasant costume under the Ghaznavids, Mughals, Marathas, etc. Their territories just don't coincide with the lines on contemporary maps.
Shalwar Kamis is associated with Islam, and who were the Islamic rulers of India before the Mughul? Sayyed, Lodhi, Suri, Ghori, Ghaznavi, Abdali etc. all Afghans. To mention “Persian” and “Turkic” but not to mention Afghanistan where this dress code is practiced by 99 percent of the people compared to Iran/Turkey, where many won’t even know what it is, is ridiculous and poor research. Salwar Kamis also became famous because of the influence of NWFP, Khans, and Pathans over Pakistan. These are historical facts, nothing “suspiciously nationalistic” about them. Unless you can provide concrete evidence to say otherwise, I suggest less assumptions and more common sense.
I think the term "Punjabi suit" is used only for a specific type of Kamiz, not all types of them. So, the term cannot be applied to all sorts of salwar-kamiz suits.Can you tell me what the differences are between a "regular" salwar kamiz and a Punjabi suit? I believe that I've seen "Punjabi" used on a few web retail sites to describe somewhat loose and baggy salwar, but it's far from universal. Well, my wife could have described it better, but she's on vacation now, so I'd try my best ... the Punjabi styled salwar kamizes, when worn by women, are somewhat plain and have a straighter cut. Also, the colors tend to be lighter. Look into the Punjabi dress worn by North Indians and Pakistani men ... the punjabi styled kamiz is perhaps more like that. I'm really bad at describing this, I think I'd come up with an example image to clarify this.
Hmmm. Pictures would help. When you say the cut is straighter and the colors are lighter, I immediately think of the Lucknowi style chikan-embroidered suits in very light muslin. I haven't seen those called Punjabi suits, tho'. I've always heard Punjabi suit and salwar kamiz used interchangeably, but I'm very willing to believe there are exceptions.I'd suggest that the stub articles be renamed salwar and kamiz, any info merged (if there IS any info that isn't already in the main article), and that salwar, kamiz, and Punjabi suit be set up to redirect to the this article.Anon, the "embroidery with mirrors" is called shisha embroidery and it's just as characteristic of Rajasthan as it is of Pakistan. In any case, it's not universal. Probably more characteristic of rural/tribal clothing than urban kamiz. Trying to give "Hindu" gloss to dupatta is again silly. Trying to change Islam-associated history of salwar suit is just wrong. Moreover, your edits are ungrammatical.
This is with reference to the spelling Shalwar Qamis and a redirect from Shalwar Qamis leading to this article. Shalwar Qamis is a non-standard spelling where as Salwar Kamiz is a standard spelling.
I think that's some anon Pakistani editor who feels that the Indian version of the word is being favored. Just as we had an anon Indian editor who wanted to remove all connection between salwar kamiz and Islamic invaders from Central Asia. People are refighting the Partition over the unlikeliest topics imaginable! I'll remove the ref.I agree that we should favor the vastly more common spelling, but I don't think mentioning the alternate spelling hurts, and I strenuously disagree with eliminating the redirect page, if that's what is being suggested. Redirect pages are virtually free;
I don't think the alternate spelling should be mentioned. The Pakistani I know spells it "Shalwar kamiz" anyways... but, I'm for removing it in the intro but keeping a redirect.
It is interesting how Khat-Partug (Shalwar kamiz) are now either Punjabi, Pakistani or Indian dress code. Khat Partug is the Pashtun/Afghan or "Pathan" dress code. It was known as Pathani in India, and still is known by this name. Punjabis adopted it, and Sikhs adopted after countless invasion by Ahmed Shah Abdali, and later their rule over the Peshawar valley the Sikhs adopted many other customs, Bhangra, a local dance called "Bangray" which means a ring. Bangray or Balbala was is a domesticed version of the Afghan warrior dance ATTAN, whiceh is performed by men before going to war. They also adopted the rooster turban, the type you see today the border guards of India and Pakistan wearing. The Indian/Pakistani dress code are Lungi, Dhoti and Sari. Afghans introduced this type of dress code with their countless rules over a span of 800 years. Iranian, Turks don't wear anything close to Khat Partug, there clothing is more like Arab. From the word "Khata", means dirt, the British invented Khaki (meti color), another dress code that originated during the time of Anglo Afghans wars. Today it is known as Khaki Warde worn by government employees in India. Keray (Pathani Chapal) are now famous in both India and Pakistan. Karakul Afghan hat is also famous, worn by both Jinnah and Hamid Karzai. Pakhtun hat, or Afghan war hat is now famous all over the Muslim world after its famous use in Afghan-Russo war.
You are absoltely correct. Punjabis and Sindhis adopted this dress from Pashtuns and Balochs and in the 70s Pakistan made it its national dress because the bulk of its population used to wear it, and the famous soap operas of Pakistan Television made it popular in India in the 80s. Before the Muslim rule Indians were unaware of stiched clothes and used to wear Sari and Lungi. It is ironic that once pure Pashtun/Afghan historical dress and attire is now known as Indian in the world who adopted it just two or three decades ago.
I suggest you guys update this article, the dress code of Punjabi/Pakistan/India was Lungi, Dhoti, and Sari. Khat Partug (shalwar kamiz) originated with Afghans horse riders (Asvazais/Yousafzais). Even Mughul used to wear long skirts over pajamas, while Afghans/Pathans wore KHAT PARTUG (shalwar kamis), and was known as Pathani in those days. Khat Partug today is also famous over Muslim world because of it spread from again Afgan Russo war. American wore it, and British wore it. Arabs took this dress to their countries. Today it is famous all over mosques in North Americas. So is the Afghan hat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sync2k5 (talk • contribs)
Sync, your claims sound suspiciously nationalistic to me but ... I don't think we have any good articles on the HISTORY of costume in South Asia. There's a little bit of history in the Sari article and a little in this article. Rather than use current "national" units, however, it seems to me to make more sense to write articles about court costume and peasant costume under the Ghaznavids, Mughals, Marathas, etc. Their territories just don't coincide with the lines on contemporary maps.
Shalwar Kamis is associated with Islam, and who were the Islamic rulers of India before the Mughul? Sayyed, Lodhi, Suri, Ghori, Ghaznavi, Abdali etc. all Afghans. To mention “Persian” and “Turkic” but not to mention Afghanistan where this dress code is practiced by 99 percent of the people compared to Iran/Turkey, where many won’t even know what it is, is ridiculous and poor research. Salwar Kamis also became famous because of the influence of NWFP, Khans, and Pathans over Pakistan. These are historical facts, nothing “suspiciously nationalistic” about them. Unless you can provide concrete evidence to say otherwise, I suggest less assumptions and more common sense.
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